[Chat] Chat Digest, Vol 78, Issue 5

[SLG2700 at cs.com]

Lauren:

I copied Mary Pat Clarke and Jack Young on my first email and second 
responses to PaulI's emails.  I haven't heard anything yet but I am sure that one 
of them will get back to us soon.

Also, Major Buzzuro, Officers Doug Gibson and Jonathan Walther, and Walter 
Brown and David Hill of the CVCBD.  I am waiting to hear.  I will not be 
able to follow up with phone calls until tomorrow.

Sharon Guida

n a message dated 12/3/2009 12:34:03 Eastern Standard Time, 
laredmond at hotmail.com writes: 
> 
> Has anyone been in touch with Mary Pat or Jack Young about this yet?  I 
> would think they would be advocates and probably be willing to write a new 
> City Council law about dog control and consequences for dog owners.  I mean 
> something beyond the dog leashing law that addresses the issues that Paul 
> mentioned.
> 
> Lauren 
> Lauren Redmond 2636 Guilford Ave.Baltimore, MD 21218(410) 366-0162
> laredmond at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: chat-request at charlesvillage.info
> >Subject: Chat Digest, Vol 78, Issue 5
> >To: chat at charlesvillage.info
> >Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:21:48 -0500
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> >Today's Topics:
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> >1. Re: Pit Bull Attack tonight in CV (Roderick Fry)
> >2. Re: Follow up: tonight's dog attack and Baltimore law
> >(David Kinzer)
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> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:08:24 -0500
> >From: Roderick Fry <roderickpsu at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Chat] Pit Bull Attack tonight in CV
> >To: The Charles Village Chat List <chat at charlesvillage.info>
> >Message-ID:
> ><1b4868060912021908jc709e69g2cec6410695006fb at mail.gmail.com>
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> >My dog and I were attacked by a pit bull in the alley between Maryland 
> Ave
> >and Howard St. approximately two months ago. I had to nearly beat the 
> life
> >out of the pit bull in order to get it to let go of my dog. In the 
> process
> >I seriously cut up my hands and broke my foot. I held the pit bull by the
> >throat while my wife called animal control. Animal control responded by
> >saying that they would dispatch an officer immediately, and we could 
> expect
> >them within 72 HOURS! Needless to say, we then called police, and they
> >showed up and dealt with the situation. I provided all of my information
> >and obtained a police report. I was told that animal control would 
> contact
> >me within 24 hours. I never heard from animal control, and had to verify
> >the rabies vaccinations of the pit bull on my own. Luckily, the pit 
> bull's
> >owner was found, and I was able to obtain the vaccination records. My
> >personal experience has been that Baltimore City Animal Control is
> >worthless.
> >
> >My happy ending is that my dog has fully recovered.
> >
> >Rod Fry
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM, <SLG2700 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Paul:
> >>
> >>Sorry to hear about the incident but I am happy to hear that your 
> reported
> >>it to the police.
> >>
> >>I saw Major Buzzuro of the Northern District at tonight's CVCA meeting 
> and
> >>I told him about the incident. He may be able to help the investigation
> >>along to make sure that the culprits are identified and arrested.
> >>
> >>Please send me the police report number so that I can send it on to the
> >>Major and to Terrell Warren our Community Liaison with the States 
> Attorney's
> >>office and to Walter Brown, Safety Coordinator at the CVCBD so that we 
> can
> >>follow up this case to conviction. The parents or these children may 
> also
> >>be liable for injuries sustained due to their failure to supervise their
> >>children with a dangerous dog. Not to mention the city ordinances that 
> were
> >>broken by not having a dog on a leash.
> >>
> >>Please provide me with more info as you obtain it. Is it OK if I release
> >>your contact info to the resources I have named above?
> >>
> >>If you would like our help, we are here for you.
> >>
> >>Sharon L. Guida, Chair, CVCA Safety Committee
> >>2746 Maryland Avenue
> >>Baltimore, MD 21218
> >>410-889-0436 (home)
> >>410-467-4409 (work)
> >>410-467-4410 (work fax)
> >>410-960-1139 (cell)
> >>SLG2700 at cs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>In a message dated 12/2/2009 18:30:52 Eastern Standard Time,
> >>oldhousehistory at aol.com writes:
> >>
> >>Anyone:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>My partner and our greyhound just got attacked by a pit bull in the 2700
> >>block of Guilford Ave?with the dog running off of their porch, and 4-5 
> black
> >>youths egging him on to kill our dog. Both our dog and Greg were knocked
> >>down and are covered in blood. Police have been called, and action will 
> be
> >>taken.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A nice person followed him home to check to see if he was all right, but 
> as
> >>might be expected, refused to leave his name or tele number. If anyone
> >>heard or saw the altercation, please email or call immediately at
> >>202-441-1474.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul K. Williams
> >>
> >>Kelsey &Associates, Inc.
> >>
> >>1929 13th Street, NW
> >>
> >>Washington, DC 20009
> >>
> >>WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>202-213-9796
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>2629 Guilford Avenue
> >>
> >>Baltimore, MD 21218
> >>
> >>BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >Message: 2
> >Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:21:50 -0500
> >From: David Kinzer <davidkinzer at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Chat] Follow up: tonight's dog attack and Baltimore law
> >To: The Charles Village Chat List <chat at charlesvillage.info>
> >Cc: Charles Village Discussion List <discussion at charlesvillage.info>
> >Message-ID:
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> >Paul - I am very sorry to hear about this horrible experience. I hope 
> that
> >both Greg and your dog recovery fully. Can you provide a little more 
> detail
> >(e.g. east side / west side; how many houses from 27th or 28th street) 
> about
> >the location of the property where the dog and youths originated before 
> the
> >attack? I will certainly look to avoid this property when walking with my
> >daughter and advise others on the block to do the same.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >David Kinzer
> >2712 Guilford
> >
> >On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul Williams <oldhousehistory at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>The CV Chat and Discussion listserves are not seemingly sending
> >>submissions to recipients in a timely fashion for subscribers for an
> >>immediate posting (sans digest) but this is a problem for us subscribers
> >>using this venue for a current emergency alert. I?m a CV resident - but 
> in
> >>DC during the week, but when this attack took place to my partner this
> >>evening, I had hoped everyone on the list would have been alerted (sans
> >>digest recipients). The victim of this attack, in fact, is a member of 
> both
> >>CV list-serves, but has unfortunately relied on me forwarding both 
> alerts
> >>and responses emails.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>*In any event, from tonight?s (WED Dec 2, 6 PM) vicious dog attack:
> >>*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Our 12 year old greyhound is at Ardmore for a few days, as Greg just 
> took
> >>him there this evening ? one of their vet techs is our house sitter, in
> >>fact.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>We?re not sure of the actual house number where the dog came running off
> >>the porch, but we are within a few houses, so it won?t take long ? with
> >>animal registration requirements. It?s also unclear if those taunting 
> the
> >>Pit Bull to kill our dog were on the owner?s porch or next door, but 
> that
> >>will also become clear with further investigation from proper
> >>authorities.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Incredibly, and completely incomprehensible, was that police arrived and
> >>determined that if the human under attack had no serious injuries ? a 
> finger
> >>lost, a baby mauled, or worse, the Police said they must hand the entire
> >>case over to Animal Control (note that the cop was so nice and offered 
> to
> >>administer first aid to Greg and offered a ride to the vet. Animal 
> Control
> >>is the agency in charge. Apparently our dogs can be mauled to death, a 
> dog
> >>owner under attack can sustain bleeding and bruising and physiological
> >>injuries, but no police record is necessary under the law, and in fact, 
> no
> >>follow up that may help in even a civil case down the road. That needs 
> to
> >>change NOW.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Police do not go door to door to find the owner of the dog in question,
> >>only Animal Control. Police are not able by law to tell us which porch
> >>this vicious animal came from. We cannot learn from police calls (our 
> own,
> >>a witness, and a follow up witness) where the offending dog resides: we 
> need
> >>to only call animal control. So, I?m guessing the Animal Control called
> >>tonight from our communal police calls found the few houses in question
> >>tonight dark and unresponsive, and I suspect that the pit bull in 
> question
> >>was removed to another location for a month or two to hide from 
> authorities.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I?m not one to sit back and take this injustice, so we will be 
> organizing
> >>massive media attention to our unjust Baltimore City laws, just revealed 
> to
> >>us tonight in these most unfortunate circumstances. It is time to take 
> back
> >>our city and expose to the masses on a national level what we have just
> >>learned tonight with which is a common practice that can affect every 
> dog
> >>and cat owner, and even parents with small children!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>In the immediate future, if you have a small child in a baby carriage, 
> any
> >>size dog, or even a roaming cat, AVOID the 2700 block of Guilford Ave, 
> as
> >>the owner of this young Pit Bull conveyed verbally and rather clearly 
> during
> >>the attack that ?there is nothing I can do.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Look forward to an immediate community call for action, growing media
> >>event, and exposure that this is a truly flawed Baltimore City law, 
> which we
> >>will push for CHANGE for us citizens living in Charles
> >>Village.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul K. Williams
> >>
> >>Kelsey &Associates, Inc.
> >>
> >>1929 13th Street, NW
> >>
> >>Washington, DC 20009
> >>
> >>WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>202-213-9796
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>2629 Guilford Avenue
> >>
> >>Baltimore, MD 21218
> >>
> >>BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>*From:* discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info [mailto:
> >>discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info] *On Behalf Of *Paul Williams
> >>*Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:25 PM
> >>*To:* 'Charles Village Discussion List'
> >>*Cc:* laredmond at hotmail.com
> >>*Subject:* Re: [Discussion] Village Parents Dec. 6 Toy &Book Swap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>For the Parents Group:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>There is a pit bull in the 2700 block of Guilford Avenue that attacked a 
> 39
> >>year old man and a 12 year old dog this evening, with the encouragement 
> of
> >>bystanders on the porch. I would highly discourage any parent with a 
> young
> >>infant or child from traversing this block, with or without dog or 
> child,
> >>until this situation is resolved, as this dog is currently allowed by 
> its
> >>owners to roam free and attack anything it is apparently trained to do.
> >>Police have been notified, and there is nothing in the law that they are
> >>able to do: only animal control can remove this dog from our community.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul K. Williams
> >>
> >>Kelsey &Associates, Inc.
> >>
> >>1929 13th Street, NW
> >>
> >>Washington, DC 20009
> >>
> >>WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>202-213-9796
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>2629 Guilford Avenue
> >>
> >>Baltimore, MD 21218
> >>
> >>BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>*From:* discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info [mailto:
> >>discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info] *On Behalf Of *Lauren Redmond
> >>*Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:20 PM
> >>*To:* Charles Village Chat listserve; Charles Village discussion 
> listserve
> >>*Subject:* [Discussion] Village Parents Dec. 6 Toy &Book Swap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Charles Village's brand new parents group, Village Parents, invites you 
> to:
> >>
> >>A Toy and Book Swap
> >>at Village Learning Place
> >>2521 Saint Paul Street
> >>
> >>Sunday, September 6th.
> >>2:30-5:00pm
> >>Swapping starts at 3pm
> >>
> >>Please bring your gently used toys and books to swap for something that 
> is
> >>"new to you".
> >>Babysitting will be available in the downstairs classrooms.
> >>
> >>If you have a baby and no toys or books to swap yet, come anyway and 
> meet
> >>your CV family neighbors. There may be toys to take home after the swap.
> >>
> >>Any toys left after the event will be donated to charity.
> >>
> >>If you are unable to attend, but would like to be added to the listserve 
> to
> >>be notified about future events, go to:
> >>
> >>groups.google.com/group/charles-village-parents and click on "Join this 
> Group".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Questions? Contact Lauren Redmond at laredmond at hotmail.com or Julie 
> Neale Taylor at jnealet at hotmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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