[Chat] Chat Digest, Vol 78, Issue 5

Thu Dec 3 12:06:30 EST 2009

Has anyone been in touch with Mary Pat or Jack Young about this yet?  I would think they would be advocates and probably be willing to write a new City Council law about dog control and consequences for dog owners.  I mean something beyond the dog leashing law that addresses the issues that Paul mentioned.

Lauren 

Lauren Redmond 
2636 Guilford Ave.
Baltimore, MD 21218
(410) 366-0162
laredmond at hotmail.com

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> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:21:48 -0500
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>    1. Re: Pit Bull Attack tonight in CV (Roderick Fry)
>    2. Re: Follow up: tonight's dog attack and Baltimore law
>       (David Kinzer)
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> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:08:24 -0500
> From: Roderick Fry <roderickpsu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Chat] Pit Bull Attack tonight in CV
> To: The Charles Village Chat List <chat at charlesvillage.info>
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> My dog and I were attacked by a pit bull in the alley between Maryland Ave
> and Howard St. approximately two months ago.  I had to nearly beat the life
> out of the pit bull in order to get it to let go of my dog.  In the process
> I seriously cut up my hands and broke my foot.  I held the pit bull by the
> throat while my wife called animal control.  Animal control responded by
> saying that they would dispatch an officer immediately, and we could expect
> them within 72 HOURS!  Needless to say, we then called police, and they
> showed up and dealt with the situation.  I provided all of my information
> and obtained a police report.  I was told that animal control would contact
> me within 24 hours.  I never heard from animal control, and had to verify
> the rabies vaccinations of the pit bull on my own.  Luckily, the pit bull's
> owner was found, and I was able to obtain the vaccination records.  My
> personal experience has been that Baltimore City Animal Control is
> worthless.
> 
> My happy ending is that my dog has fully recovered.
> 
> Rod Fry
> 
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:08 PM, <SLG2700 at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> > Paul:
> >
> > Sorry to hear about the incident but I am happy to hear that your reported
> > it to the police.
> >
> > I saw Major Buzzuro of the Northern District at tonight's CVCA meeting and
> > I told him about the incident. He may be able to help the investigation
> > along to make sure that the culprits are identified and arrested.
> >
> > Please send me the police report number so that I can send it on to the
> > Major and to Terrell Warren our Community Liaison with the States Attorney's
> > office and to Walter Brown, Safety Coordinator at the CVCBD so that we can
> > follow up this case to conviction.  The parents or these children may also
> > be liable for injuries sustained due to their failure to supervise their
> > children with a dangerous dog.  Not to mention the city ordinances that were
> > broken by not having a dog on a leash.
> >
> > Please provide me with more info as you obtain it.  Is it OK if I release
> > your contact info to the resources I have named above?
> >
> > If you would like our help, we are here for you.
> >
> > Sharon L. Guida, Chair, CVCA Safety Committee
> > 2746 Maryland Avenue
> > Baltimore, MD 21218
> > 410-889-0436 (home)
> > 410-467-4409 (work)
> > 410-467-4410 (work fax)
> > 410-960-1139 (cell)
> > SLG2700 at cs.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/2/2009 18:30:52 Eastern Standard Time,
> > oldhousehistory at aol.com writes:
> >
> > Anyone:
> >
> >
> >
> > My partner and our greyhound just got attacked by a pit bull in the 2700
> > block of Guilford Ave?with the dog running off of their porch, and 4-5 black
> > youths egging him on to kill our dog.  Both our dog and Greg were knocked
> > down and are covered in blood.  Police have been called, and action will be
> > taken.
> >
> >
> >
> > A nice person followed him home to check to see if he was all right, but as
> > might be expected, refused to leave his name or tele number.  If anyone
> > heard or saw the altercation, please email or call immediately at
> > 202-441-1474.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul K. Williams
> >
> > Kelsey &Associates, Inc.
> >
> > 1929 13th Street, NW
> >
> > Washington, DC 20009
> >
> > WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >
> > 202-213-9796
> >
> >
> >
> > 2629 Guilford Avenue
> >
> > Baltimore, MD 21218
> >
> > BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:21:50 -0500
> From: David Kinzer <davidkinzer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Chat] Follow up: tonight's dog attack and Baltimore law
> To: The Charles Village Chat List <chat at charlesvillage.info>
> Cc: Charles Village Discussion List <discussion at charlesvillage.info>
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> Paul - I am very sorry to hear about this horrible experience.  I hope that
> both Greg and your dog recovery fully.  Can you provide a little more detail
> (e.g. east side / west side; how many houses from 27th or 28th street) about
> the location of the property where the dog and youths originated before the
> attack?  I will certainly look to avoid this property when walking with my
> daughter and advise others on the block to do the same.
> 
> Thanks,
> David Kinzer
> 2712 Guilford
> 
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul Williams <oldhousehistory at aol.com>wrote:
> 
> >  The CV Chat and Discussion listserves are not seemingly sending
> > submissions to recipients in a timely fashion for subscribers for an
> > immediate posting (sans digest) but this is a problem for us subscribers
> > using this venue for a current emergency alert.   I?m a CV resident - but in
> > DC during the week, but when this attack took place to my partner this
> > evening, I had hoped everyone on the list would have been alerted (sans
> > digest recipients). The victim of this attack, in fact, is a member of both
> > CV list-serves, but has unfortunately relied on me forwarding both alerts
> > and responses emails.
> >
> >
> >
> > *In any event, from tonight?s (WED Dec 2, 6 PM) vicious dog attack:
> >           *
> >
> >
> >
> > Our 12 year old greyhound is at Ardmore for a few days, as Greg just took
> > him there this evening ? one of their vet techs is our house sitter, in
> > fact.
> >
> >
> >
> > We?re not sure of the actual house number where the dog came running off
> > the porch, but we are within a few houses, so it won?t take long ? with
> > animal registration requirements.  It?s also unclear if those taunting the
> > Pit Bull to kill our dog were on the owner?s porch or next door, but that
> > will also become clear with further investigation from proper
> > authorities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Incredibly, and completely incomprehensible, was that police arrived and
> > determined that if the human under attack had no serious injuries ? a finger
> > lost, a baby mauled, or worse, the Police said they must hand the entire
> > case over to Animal Control (note that the cop was so nice and offered to
> > administer first aid to Greg and offered a ride to the vet.   Animal Control
> > is the agency in charge.  Apparently our dogs can be mauled to death, a dog
> > owner under attack can sustain bleeding and bruising and physiological
> > injuries, but no police record is necessary under the law, and in fact, no
> > follow up that may help in even a civil case down the road.  That needs to
> > change NOW.
> >
> >
> >
> > Police do not go door to door to find the owner of the dog in question,
> > only Animal Control.   Police are not able by law to tell us which porch
> > this vicious animal came from.  We cannot learn from police calls (our own,
> > a witness, and a follow up witness) where the offending dog resides: we need
> > to only call animal control.  So, I?m guessing the Animal Control called
> > tonight from our communal police calls found the few houses in question
> > tonight dark and unresponsive, and I suspect that the pit bull in question
> > was removed to another location for a month or two to hide from authorities.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I?m not one to sit back and take this injustice, so we will be organizing
> > massive media attention to our unjust Baltimore City laws, just revealed to
> > us tonight in these most unfortunate circumstances.  It is time to take back
> > our city and expose to the masses on a national level what we have just
> > learned tonight with which is a common practice that can affect every dog
> > and cat owner, and even parents with small children!
> >
> >
> >
> > In the immediate future, if you have a small child in a baby carriage, any
> > size dog, or even a roaming cat, AVOID the 2700 block of Guilford Ave, as
> > the owner of this young Pit Bull conveyed verbally and rather clearly during
> > the attack that ?there is nothing I can do.?
> >
> >
> >
> > Look forward to an immediate community call for action, growing media
> > event, and exposure that this is a truly flawed Baltimore City law, which we
> > will push for CHANGE for us citizens living in Charles
> > Village.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul K. Williams
> >
> > Kelsey & Associates, Inc.
> >
> > 1929 13th Street, NW
> >
> > Washington, DC 20009
> >
> > WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >
> > 202-213-9796
> >
> >
> >
> > 2629 Guilford Avenue
> >
> > Baltimore, MD 21218
> >
> > BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info [mailto:
> > discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info] *On Behalf Of *Paul Williams
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:25 PM
> > *To:* 'Charles Village Discussion List'
> > *Cc:* laredmond at hotmail.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Discussion] Village Parents Dec. 6 Toy & Book Swap
> >
> >
> >
> > For the Parents Group:
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a pit bull in the 2700 block of Guilford Avenue that attacked a 39
> > year old man and a 12 year old dog this evening, with the encouragement of
> > bystanders on the porch.  I would highly discourage any parent with a young
> > infant or child from traversing this block, with or without dog or child,
> > until this situation is resolved, as this dog is currently allowed by its
> > owners to roam free and attack anything it is apparently trained to do.
> > Police have been notified, and there is nothing in the law that they are
> > able to do: only animal control can remove this dog from our community.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul K. Williams
> >
> > Kelsey & Associates, Inc.
> >
> > 1929 13th Street, NW
> >
> > Washington, DC 20009
> >
> > WashingtonHistory.com <http://washingtonhistory.com/>
> >
> > 202-213-9796
> >
> >
> >
> > 2629 Guilford Avenue
> >
> > Baltimore, MD 21218
> >
> > BaltimoreMarylandHistory.com <http://baltimoremarylandhistory.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info [mailto:
> > discussion-bounces at charlesvillage.info] *On Behalf Of *Lauren Redmond
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:20 PM
> > *To:* Charles Village Chat listserve; Charles Village discussion listserve
> > *Subject:* [Discussion] Village Parents Dec. 6 Toy & Book Swap
> >
> >
> >
> > Charles Village's brand new parents group, Village Parents, invites you to:
> >
> > A Toy and Book Swap
> > at Village Learning Place
> > 2521 Saint Paul Street
> >
> > Sunday, September 6th.
> > 2:30-5:00pm
> > Swapping starts at 3pm
> >
> > Please bring your gently used toys and books to swap for something that is
> > "new to you".
> > Babysitting will be available in the downstairs classrooms.
> >
> > If you have a baby and no toys or books to swap yet, come anyway and meet
> > your CV family neighbors.  There may be toys to take home after the swap.
> >
> > Any toys left after the event will be donated to charity.
> >
> > If you are unable to attend, but would like to be added to the listserve to
> > be notified about future events, go to:
> >
> > groups.google.com/group/charles-village-parents and click on "Join this Group".
> >
> >
> >
> > Questions? Contact Lauren Redmond at laredmond at hotmail.com or Julie Neale Taylor at jnealet at hotmail.com
> >
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